The complex, psychological idea behind the whole thing is fucking huge.
>>1
This is the least innovative Web site.
The simplistic, shallow idea behind the whole thing is embarrassingly childish.
My website is better. It has graphs.
Hello Death. Long time no see. How's tricks?
If you think this board is dead, you have low standards. My text board is even deader. It's so dead, it doesn't even resolve. 195.16.247.24/tb is where you find it in the Necrotelecomnicon. I suppose no one but you would appreciate it. (You did tell me to do something with my life. It's been so long I think you might have forgotten about me.)
>>5
/tb is 404, but /tb/ works. You might want to fix that.
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>>5
You should add a link back to the top from all of the individual tree views.
>>11 There is a link in each leaf to its parent. The maximum size of the tree is 65536 posts, at which point it stops being a single tree. A link to the top is not a useful concept.
Per default, the lastest 50 posts are displayed, but you can request any number or any subtree.
I think what you might like is to be redirected to a more distant ancestor than the immediate parent after replying.
(I would have preferred to send 201 Created, but then all browsers I have tested would only display your own post.)
>>12
I meant a link back to the front page so if you want to go down a different branch you don't have to press back.
treeboard.sageru.org/tb/
>>15
Does anyone have a list of all the sageru subdomains? There sure seem to be a lot of them.
>>16
Here are a few others:
aachan.sageru.org
anonircd.sageru.org
internet.sageru.org
penissoft.sageru.org
tanasinn.sageru.org
vip.sageru.org
>>13 The title is now a link that takes you back to the default view. And it is the latest 100, not 50.
oh I just noticed the new 0GET up top
>>24 You can still get the whole tree, it is just not the default.
>>25
I think he's talking about whoever's messing around with the sageru rules.
>>25
You should set tree?0 as the default page but put a link to latest that has the latest 50 somewhere.
>>27 I was wondering what a good default for latest would be. The Unholy Citadel displays 60. Treeboard 100. It seems to be not enough.
What should it be, then? 1000? 5000? 65536?
Displaying everything per default would be easy, but would it not be confusing?
>>28
If you can get it so that the screen centers on the first post it will be unconfusing.
>>29 If only I knew how. All web browsers display top left initially. Best I can think of is to set window.location.hash in javascript.
I noticed that on posts which reach the character limit, such as "genetic manipulation for cuteness (ry", I can't see the whole post if the my browser's (firefox's) default font is set to times new roman.
It is further obscured if I zoom in all the way using ctrl&+. Maybe it's just me though.
>>32 It's not just you. The text is embedded as foreignObject, becaue SVG doesn't do dynamic line breaks yet (except in Opera). This also means that if the text doesn't fit into the designated space, it is clipped.
There are possible solutions for this. The easiest is to wait until Firefox and Chrome catch up to Opera, and use textArea in place of foreignObject. Another is to embed a font with known size properties, do dynamic line breaks server-side, and make the size of the nodes variable. (Server-side line breaks would have the additional benefit that the text could be visible in Explorer9, maybe.)
Or maybe I should just make the nodes wider.
>>29 Done, but requires JavaScript. tree is still not default, but link to it is available. Good enough?
>>32 The example you cited is tree?16
See if it works now?
>>34
Better. I can see everything except "char," whereas before everything after "penises" was cut off.
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>>38
Why not hotlink a Google font and use it for the boxes so you can control the size?
google.com/fonts/
>>39 I was thinking of that. It still means that the font size will have to be set in pixels.
>>40
There are copies of it on GitHub:
https://github.com/mugi/grief_generator/blob/master/system/fonts/ipagp-mona.ttf
https://github.com/shouichi/chinshu/blob/master/vendor/assets/fonts/ipagp-mona.ttf
Or just put the file on your own server. It's not like your going to get that many visitors without either monafont or the Windows fonts it was designed to replace installed.
aachan.sageru.org/mona.ttf
Can you make it so that Chanview puts latest replied to at the top rather than latest created?
>>44 Yes. It is more useful that way, but now it is significantly slower.
Can you add a button that leads to tree?n next to the reply button that takes you to reply?n in chanview?
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XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
Location: treeboard.sageru.org/tb/
Line Number 214, Column 5:testtesttest
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the second e in testtesttest fails.
>>48 It is not the e, it is two bytes before it. Someone somehow managed to insert an invalid unicode sequence (0085). Twice. The easiest fix would be to delete messages 190 and 191. That won't prevent it from happening again, though.
>>48
No, it's not any e in anything. It's the U+000B (and U+000C) that break it because they're not allowed in XML: http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xml-20001006#charsets
The post in question has now been deleted.
I'd still recommend making treeboard reject characters that aren't allowed in XML, though.
I'd not recommend putting the IP address of the person who deleted that post in the address bar of your browser.
>>49 To be precise, the codepoint exists, but the sequence is invalid UTF-8. It should have been preceeded with 0xc2. This is a fine mess.
>>52. I'm looking into that. Thank you for your help.
adding white-space: pre; to the CSS for foreignObject body would allow people to use newlines...
>>50 I don't see the B and C you mention. Do you know more about it?
>>50 Nevermind, I think I found them.
>>50 Also, I'm an idiot.
>>55 I was worried that that might cause the text to vanish below the bottom.
The web is an innovative technology.
>>60pre-wrap, then.
It'd be nice if there was some sort of API for accessing posts as JSON or something. I suppose one could just download the database from http://treeboard.sageru.org/db.tb, but that takes a few hours.
>>65
That function isn't really a part of normal Kareha. Kareha would need changing to support that freature.
>>65 There is. treeboard.sageru.org/tb/json
Without arguments, it gives you the entire database.
With an argument, it gives you that subtree in a different format.
See also tree?25 (or json?25 if you prefer).
Sageru all you WANT but you will NEVER break my Japanese spirit!!
>>69
Oh my, our administrator has returned victorious from doing battle on the moon. Tell me dear admin how fares Bruce Springsteen? What is the MOTD_TYPE?
>[Multiculturalism] VIPsaurus [Timeless Classic]
>Why is the hellochannel down?
What is that? Is it another one of those weird sageru domains that I haven't heard of, like that list of proxies?
>>71 You might want to ask the VIPsaurus that. ☺
>>72 Too intimidated, he's a scary guy... :+(
sage-ing a thread is difficult work
>>73 ☹ I see what you mean. Well, it's not. It's a different channel. And it's up.
>>75
Do you have a link? or is it a secret club too VIP for me?
>>76 hellochannel.or.gs
Not a secret club, just obscure.
These are apparently the most innovative web sites.
huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/29/most-innovative-web-site_n_406378.html
>>79 Slide shows are the worst use of web tech. And this example is catastrophically implemented.
>>81 I feel like they kind of ran out of material part of the way through too. One of the sites isn't even online any more? Why would you include it in your best sites list then?
>>82 TBF, they didn't say best, they said most innovative - in 2009. Before the great HTML5 hype even.
So how goes TB development?
>>84 There are still a few things on the to-do-list. Maybe next week will see some changes.
Can you make it so posts require at least one non space or newline character? So there are no blank posts.
You have lots of spam, you should add a line that revokes posts that try to use link tags, and add a blacklist for websites with continual updates, start using the one from Wakaba and work from there.
>>88 That is a lot of spam. 3679 messages over night.
I wonder how they found me.
I am pleased that the server had no problem handling that traffic. I am annoyed that the posts make the actual threads less accessible.
It would be easy to refuse any posts that try to use any tags. (They are filtered anyway to prevent XSS.)
I doubt that would solve the problem, though, and would annoy legitimate users of the less-than symbol.
And refusing anything that looks like an URL would be counter to the concept of a website.
Maybe I should change the database format to include the IPs and make it impossible to answer to a single post more than once. Or your own posts. Make the board not-anonymous (nonymous?). I don't very much like the idea.
I have half a mind to rebuild the entire database to get rid of the spam, but I would prefer to avoid censorship and instead rebuild the views to make the spam easier to ignore.
I have an unstested heuristic for finding topic starters, and an idea how to make threads more legible.
And I definitely should remove the New Topic field in chanview. It is a misnomer and mostly there to resemble kareha.
>>89
If you look at them most of the links are through the same spam websites, you should make a spam blacklist and simply deny posts with those sites in their text.
>>89
Since the board is still in beta you should just pack up the database for posterieritys sake (Read Sah keh) and start over with changes implemented. I quite like the idea of using Wakaba's link blacklist and adding others as you need to. Chanview really doesn't need to exist, I think you should make its design different, include the top post and have the others stack inside it.
>>91 How do you mean? Replace chanview with something more like slashdot or reddit?
test
>>92
More along the lines of old style phpbb quoting system, you know stacking pyramids.
You should really delete all that spam, a lot of it is illegal links to CP.
Well the spam sure has shown that the CGI works, look at how they're expanding the trees.
If no-one objects, I will delete the database.
Zip it up and archive it in case someone wants it later.
What the fuck is that thing moving around my screen⁈‽ Kyaaa!
I can no longer post, I only get your spam mesage.
>>104 It looks like a pilot error to me.
Try testing through a VPN or proxy, I think it's blocking external IPs because I've tried posts of many variations in 3 browsers from 4 IPs.
>>106 It is not blocking external IPs,
>>109
I understand now, I was trying to write a link into the leaf field.
It's confusing when there are 2 things you have called leaf in the board, the single captcha and the posts.
>>110 I'm glad you solved it.
The term "leaf" only refers to posts in the source code, not the interface (or the HTML); it didn't occur to me that it could be confusing. The term is also used in the CSS for a class of posts, not the posts themselves.
>CAPTCHA: "Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart"
>>>110 Do you think I should change the password to "sage" to make it less confusing?
Is agent orange colorblind?
Speak friend and enter.
I get 503 service unavailable.
>>116 I will fix it next time I get there, which should be soon.
I apologize for the inconvenience, and promise to double my efforts so that it will not happen again.
Sometime between now and later, probably soon, maybe even next Tuesday, the IP address of the treeboard will change to 77.220.110.88 (::ffff:4ddc:6e58); it should be reachable via board.treech.at most of the time, but alas I cannot guarantee anything. I have tried and will do my best.
Again, I apologize for the inconvenience.
The IP is now 77.220.96.62 (::ffff:4ddc:603e).
I don't know why it changed, maybe it will change back to the original one eventually. For now, board.treech.at should work. Let me know if it does not.
Apology juice will be served once we reach normality.
i love how most of the text is invisible in google chrome. maybe i should report that as a bug. or maybe not. the google chrome developers would probably just be like "huh, that's weird." and then forget about it.
Stop using google chrome. Supporting webdrm is like supporting perl developers, sure some aren't going to stab you with an icicle made of pee and leave you to die, but it's the ethics of allowing maniacs to wield icicles made of pee just so you can give them more power for doing bad things.
>>121 The text is embedded HTML. I am thinking of using SVG textArea instead, but when I wrote it, only Opera supported it.
>>122
kareha is written in perl. why are you using it?
>>123
i'm pretty sure it's still a bug in chrome that should probably fixed, but probably won't ever be fixed, just like https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=161651 and https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=447435.
So yes, the IP of the treeboard has changed.
Apollo juice will be served to whoever demands it.
I demand it.
All things must come to an end, we must die as all have before us.
To become immortal, one first must die.
Speaking of which, the IP of the treeboard changed again. 77.220.96.60
>>133
isn't there some sort of mechanism that could automate updating the DNS when that happens?
>>134
That's crazy-talk.
>>134 Probably, but I was promised a static IP. Static IPs are not supposed to change.
>>136
and dynamic IPs are supposed to change, but my ISP gives me the same one every time, even after a month-long power outage.
actually, I once got a couple dozen IPs (IPv4, routable from the internet) when I accidentally plugged the cable modem into the wrong port on the router...
>>137 Pretty cool.
There is no RFC that states that dynamic IPs are supposed to change. They are allowed to change, not required to.
A few dozen IPv4 IPs are such luxury! What kind of router was that?
>>138
an old (this happened a few years ago), slow (responses to DHCP requests from my ISP arrived faster than responses from the router's built-in DHCP server!) one that has since been replaced. I don't remember what kind it was, and I don't think it would have mattered. what happened is I accidentally plugged the cable modem into one of the LAN ports instead of the WAN port, so it was just acting like a switch (except for the too-slow-to-matter DHCP server).
>>139 If I understand correctly, then your home devices requested IPs via DHCP directly from your ISP rather than your router?
Nice exploit ☺
>>140
yes, my ISP is very stupid.
When is the irc coming back?
Make a nee irc based on koans
Fine, I'll do it.
Apparently the IP for the treeboard changed again. 37.186.11.144
Practically Dalaran.
who cares about the IP? we have the domain name...
The domain has changed, you can't get there from treeboard.sageru.org anymore.
>>150
ttp://board.treech.at/
>>151
why didn't you make it an actual link?
>>152
I want to fantasise that I'm actually posting on 2ch.
>>153
うぜんだよ
fusanasan
The domain for the treeboard is broken since yesterday.
The new domain is now board.chatree.net